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the cardinal from argentina who is with the chief of staff under john paul ii, a very good manager. this is all sound and fury signifying nothing until those 117 cardinals who are under 80 and have the right to vote for the next pope get here to rome, roll up their sleeves, and get to work. >> is that done in the same ways we've seen in years past after the pope has died, the white smoke, the black smoke, all of that? >> it will be very shortly from now that they'll get the process ready. they'll have to put in a fake floor like they did last time to put in jamming devices that will prohibit anyone from eavesdropping electronically what is going on in the sistine chapel. also, they'll install a stove and prepare the chemical cartridges that will turn the black smoke into white smoke when they elect the pope. is he referred to as the former pope? where will he live, what will he do? >> he's got another month on the job, so we're presuming he's going to carry out his regular calendar. this week, of course, features ash wednesday, the beginning of lent for catholics. we presume he'll d
the cardinal from argentina who is with the chief of staff under john paul ii, a very good manager. this is all sound and fury signifying nothing until those 117 cardinals who are under 80 and have the right to vote for the next pope get here to rome, roll up their sleeves, and get to work. >> is that done in the same ways we've seen in years past after the pope has died, the white smoke, the black smoke, all of that? >> it will be very shortly from now that they'll get the process...
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in april of 2005 when pope john paul ii died we broadcasted "hardball" from rome. as we closed our last show from there, let's listen. look at these people standing for hours, day and night, through the avenues of rome, packed together as if they had been caught and crushed in an industrial strength trash compacter. there they stood seeking no edge, plotting no photo opportunity, playing none of the games that people do in politics, in business, in so much of life. this is no pub lisible stunt or initial stock offering or inside deal or anything but the purest most obvious most grandly transparent display of individual devotion. voting with your feet. >> thanks four your wise and warm words. thanks for coming on and enl deon, mr. america and french canadian and all kind of things. >>> dick cheney from the sublime to the ridiculous. dick cheney can't stand the fact that his side lost the election, dick. that he and his neocons are under assault and in retreat thank god. he's saying president obama is picking second class people. we'll be right back with the story of
in april of 2005 when pope john paul ii died we broadcasted "hardball" from rome. as we closed our last show from there, let's listen. look at these people standing for hours, day and night, through the avenues of rome, packed together as if they had been caught and crushed in an industrial strength trash compacter. there they stood seeking no edge, plotting no photo opportunity, playing none of the games that people do in politics, in business, in so much of life. this is no pub...
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i think we would be looking for vigorous and dynamic leadership, perhaps in the mold of john paul ii. >> archbishop of milan, the archbishop of vienna, gmt enoa, italy, two vatican cardinals in the mix, do you agree with the monsignor about the qualities of what needs to be considered as we look to who would take benedict's place? >> yes, i think the monsignor is absolutely -- as somebody who has studied this, the church has become quite diverse. while there's been a decline of things catholic in places like the united states, that is not the case in places like africa, latin, central america, central mexico. the activity has quite energized, so make a prediction that you'll see a greater voice of those communities, nigeria, brazil, mexico, because the catholic church and the conclave in particular has become more diversified over the years. don't forget john paul ii was the first known italian in 453 years, nobody ever believed that, so here we are 2013, and you might see a seismic change again. >> ray flynn, monsignor tom mcsweeny, thank you for joining me. i really appreciate it. >
i think we would be looking for vigorous and dynamic leadership, perhaps in the mold of john paul ii. >> archbishop of milan, the archbishop of vienna, gmt enoa, italy, two vatican cardinals in the mix, do you agree with the monsignor about the qualities of what needs to be considered as we look to who would take benedict's place? >> yes, i think the monsignor is absolutely -- as somebody who has studied this, the church has become quite diverse. while there's been a decline of...
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as of 2001, he persuaded or pope john paul decided that all those cases would now come to his office. so from 2001 to 2005, he saw every case. so he is the most knowledgeable person in the world about these issues. >> so what happened to these cases now? >> it's a very good question. i think it's the fundamental question for the church, because it's clear that these are crimes. they're not since, they're crimes. and they've also been covered up in a rather methodical way by the church around the world. >> your research took almost two years. and in your research, are these isolated incidents or is it habitual within the church? >> i think what you see is obviously not every priest is a pedophile. in fact, they're a rather small percentage of priests. but what you do see is patterns that emerge all over the world. for a long time, the vatican said oh, this was an american problem. but now we see this problem cropping up in australia, in germany, in brussels, in ireland, where it's been huge, in italy. so what you see in these -- you know, what you see is patterns. and the patterns are
as of 2001, he persuaded or pope john paul decided that all those cases would now come to his office. so from 2001 to 2005, he saw every case. so he is the most knowledgeable person in the world about these issues. >> so what happened to these cases now? >> it's a very good question. i think it's the fundamental question for the church, because it's clear that these are crimes. they're not since, they're crimes. and they've also been covered up in a rather methodical way by the...
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following the death of john paul he was elected pope back in 2005. he was 78, the oldest person to become pope in almost 300 years. little has been said publicly about his health, which made his resignation even more surprising since he said his strength has deteriorated recently. let's get some more now on the pope's health. our chief medical correspondent, dr. sanjay gupta, is joining us. sanjay, what do we know about the pope's health as of late? >> well, you know, not much that's new here, wolf. and i think that's part of the reason this came as a surprise to so many people. certainly we know his age, 85 years old, and as a physician there's all sorts of different things that you certainly worry about. cardiovascular disease, diabetes, cancer, stroke. he had a hemorrhage in his brain they think back in 1991 that may have been due to a stroke. but a long time ago, and there was no evidence of anything recently along those lines. he had a fall where he broke his wrist in 2009. and there's been pictures of him where he seems to maybe more increasing
following the death of john paul he was elected pope back in 2005. he was 78, the oldest person to become pope in almost 300 years. little has been said publicly about his health, which made his resignation even more surprising since he said his strength has deteriorated recently. let's get some more now on the pope's health. our chief medical correspondent, dr. sanjay gupta, is joining us. sanjay, what do we know about the pope's health as of late? >> well, you know, not much that's new...
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of course, pope john paul ii had been pope since 1979. and so, of course, his impact felt not only in the religious world but also the political world. pope benedict, though, never really, of course, given the chance to emerge from the shadows. and it seems that for a good bit of his time, he was dogged by allegations that came through the child abuse scandal throughout certainly before his reign. he was constantly being dogged by questions regarding that. but mark halperin, an iconic figure replaced by pope benedict who has had a very short tenure and now is stepping down in a way that a lot of popes don't step down before they die. >> short tenure, and it's going to be scrutinized for some of the issues you raised. to me now thinking forward, it's going to be a very big story for catholics and others around the world including the question of will it be another european? there's going to be pressure to look to another region of the country as there was last time. i think it may happen this time. >> it's interesting because we're getting
of course, pope john paul ii had been pope since 1979. and so, of course, his impact felt not only in the religious world but also the political world. pope benedict, though, never really, of course, given the chance to emerge from the shadows. and it seems that for a good bit of his time, he was dogged by allegations that came through the child abuse scandal throughout certainly before his reign. he was constantly being dogged by questions regarding that. but mark halperin, an iconic figure...
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ratzinger, was very keenly aware of what happened to pope john paul ii. he talked to people about how his demise seemed somewhat of a dishonorable end to his papacy. he had in his mind already what type of glorious exit, to use the phrase, he may want in store for him. let's get some perspective as to what is coming out of the vatican as to why this is happening, what it means. john allen, our senior vatican analyst, joins us now. what do we know, john? >> reporter: what we know is that we are living through a day of enormous shock here in rome. not so much the pope benedict xvi chose to resign. he signaled two years ago that he would be open to doing that, but the fact that we had absolutely no indication this was coming today. precisely because of that, therefore, there are some enormous unanswered questions about how all of this is going to play out. i suppose the biggest questions would be, "a," what will the role of a retired pope be? will he continue to play any kind of public role? will he continue to exercise any influence on the future direction
ratzinger, was very keenly aware of what happened to pope john paul ii. he talked to people about how his demise seemed somewhat of a dishonorable end to his papacy. he had in his mind already what type of glorious exit, to use the phrase, he may want in store for him. let's get some perspective as to what is coming out of the vatican as to why this is happening, what it means. john allen, our senior vatican analyst, joins us now. what do we know, john? >> reporter: what we know is that...
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so is paul ryan. he's against it. house speaker john boehner actually says raising it would be unfair to workers? >> a lot of people who are being paid the minimum wage are being paid that because they come to the workforce with no skills. and this makes it harder for them to acquire the skills they need in order to climb that ladder successfully. >> how convoluted is that? the message from john boehner, if you're a low-skilled worker, hey, stay poor. democrats are ready to pounce all over this. white house senior adviser dan pfeiffer asked republicans for an actual plan to ensure full-time workers will not live in poverty. the president plans to press the issue hard as he takes it -- makes it a big part of his policy agenda on the road. republicans, they are all over the place in response. for instance, take congresswoman marcia blackburn of tennessee. she said a low minimum wage was good for her when she got her first job. >> i remember my first job. when i was working in a retail store, growing up down there in lau
so is paul ryan. he's against it. house speaker john boehner actually says raising it would be unfair to workers? >> a lot of people who are being paid the minimum wage are being paid that because they come to the workforce with no skills. and this makes it harder for them to acquire the skills they need in order to climb that ladder successfully. >> how convoluted is that? the message from john boehner, if you're a low-skilled worker, hey, stay poor. democrats are ready to pounce...
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you almost expected to hear john cougar mellencamp's old songs that we used to sing at farm aid concerts is what i was thinking as i was watching. >> was there a political message there at all, do you think, karen? >> i do, actually. as it was playing, sort of thinking there is a slice of america that we're losing. i mean, you talked than, frankly, just before this segment. and there are very real reasons why family farmers and small farmers are struggling in this country. and, you know, there were beautiful images and things we should be very proud of in terms of the american ethic of hard work and all of that. and yet we're not taking care of those values and not cherishing those values and doing the things we can to preserve that in the ways that i think we could be. >> jonathan, what about the ad? the mayors against illegal guns took out. effective? your thoughts. >> yeah, i think it was effective. you know, this is a long twilight struggle, as jfk said about the cold war. this issue is not going to be resolved soon. it's not just about whether there is an assault weapons ban, whethe
you almost expected to hear john cougar mellencamp's old songs that we used to sing at farm aid concerts is what i was thinking as i was watching. >> was there a political message there at all, do you think, karen? >> i do, actually. as it was playing, sort of thinking there is a slice of america that we're losing. i mean, you talked than, frankly, just before this segment. and there are very real reasons why family farmers and small farmers are struggling in this country. and, you...
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what are you looking at, rand paul? beyond marco rubio and rand paul, the other new tea party republican senator ted cruz is busy being pilloried by john mccain and other members of his own party for the way he has comported himself in his first few days in the senate. republicans, republicans are telling reporters that ted cruz is, quote, jim demint without the charm. the insult here being that jim demint was never known for having any charm. two years ahead of time there is always talk that the top republican in the senate, mitch mcconnell may not just face a general election challenge from ashley judd, he may face a tea party challenge from his own party, a named challenger already raising his profile in the state of kentucky against mitch mcconnell. the right wing pundits' fear right now is up in arms about how candidates are handle their fight. they're not on the republican side on this. the fox news channel has gotten rid of sarah palin and dick morris. they have hired scott brown and herman cain and dennis kucini
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virtually all these cardinals who are picked either by pope benedict or by pope john paul, i believe, somebody correct me if i'm wrong, the average age is somewhere in the 70s, low 70s. there aren't if to really drive your metaphor into the ground, a lot of blue state sort of cardinals in that list, and so there are not a lot of obviously progressive candidates on the list of potential popes. i don't think progressive conservative, however, is the right optic. i think the real question is when you get someone elected who actually is open to change and dialogue on some of these issues, on the all male celibate priesthood, if not on women priests. birth control is kind of a separate issue. the church ares until this contraception fight over the obama plan, really hasn't preached very much about it. it's not only the faithful who let it go. it's really the church itself who sort of accept that. there just aren't a lot of catholic families of 12 kids anymore in most of the west, and increasingly, not in the third world either. >> e.j., i want to bring in our panel here in new york, and be
virtually all these cardinals who are picked either by pope benedict or by pope john paul, i believe, somebody correct me if i'm wrong, the average age is somewhere in the 70s, low 70s. there aren't if to really drive your metaphor into the ground, a lot of blue state sort of cardinals in that list, and so there are not a lot of obviously progressive candidates on the list of potential popes. i don't think progressive conservative, however, is the right optic. i think the real question is when...
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john? >> interesting. renee marsh in washington. thanks for that. we want to bring in cnn legal contributor paul callen and joey jackson joins me now want i want to take the "n" word out of it for a sec here. can you hit someone else's kid? how much trouble is he in? the answer is no. what are you thinking. you can't do it and he's charged with simple assault. it's an offensive harmful contact or conduct with someone without their consent. he faces up to a year in jail. i suspect it will be resolved for significantly less than that, john. >> i said take the "n" word out of it. let's not take it out of it. how much does that exacerbate the legal issue? >> he's only charged with a misdemeanor assault. in a lot of other states this would be viewed as a hate crime. he's only charged with a misdemeanor. so the use of the word goes to motive, but it won't make it a worse charge. >> as the mother of the baby says, the man smelled of alcohol and was drinking during the flight. what kind of factor is that? >> i think in the civil case later on, you have to w
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he goes on short walks, but he unlike john paul ii was not for long hikes. >> thank you very much. here in the united states, american catholics are divided on the future of their church. catholi catholic split from what they want. 46% want change and the pape as tow go in a new direction. 51% said stay traditional. live from new york is the host of the busted halo show on the catholic channel on sirius fm. welcome. as we were pointing out potential next popes, me three things you want to see in this next leader. >> because we refer to the hope as the vicker of christ, the epicentative of our lord jesus christ on earth, he has to be a man who reminds us of our lord jesus. can you say sure, a lot of believers do that. you don't have to be the pope to do that, but to show the compassion and the love and the mercy of jesus christ is one. another would be at this time in our church's history, we need a unifier. there is a lot of division not only around the world, not only here in the united states, but even within the burocracy of the workings of the vatican. we heard that a lot. will
he goes on short walks, but he unlike john paul ii was not for long hikes. >> thank you very much. here in the united states, american catholics are divided on the future of their church. catholi catholic split from what they want. 46% want change and the pape as tow go in a new direction. 51% said stay traditional. live from new york is the host of the busted halo show on the catholic channel on sirius fm. welcome. as we were pointing out potential next popes, me three things you want to...
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benedict xvi was different from john paul ii in many ways. so if we mean things bigger than issues, if we mean tonality and approach and personality, those kinds of things, i think it's reasonable to think there might be changes on those scores. >> john allen and sister donna, thank you for being with us this morning. we appreciate it. while cardinal roger mahoney is in rome to pick the next pope back in the united states he's accused of protecting pedophile priests. anderson cooper investigates tonight on cnn. >>> back in the united states tensions are rising at the nation's airports, with the government's forced spending cuts due to kick in two days from now airports big and small are bracing for delays and more headaches for air travelers. cnn's tori dunnin explains. >> reporter: sun air flight 2455 d carrying three passengers is headed for nearby dulles airport. >> see you later. >> reporter: a half-hour trip. it's one of up to six commercial flights a day. >> roger runway 2-7, taxi way delta. >> reporter: today there's a controller in th
benedict xvi was different from john paul ii in many ways. so if we mean things bigger than issues, if we mean tonality and approach and personality, those kinds of things, i think it's reasonable to think there might be changes on those scores. >> john allen and sister donna, thank you for being with us this morning. we appreciate it. while cardinal roger mahoney is in rome to pick the next pope back in the united states he's accused of protecting pedophile priests. anderson cooper...
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paul ii. have a listen to this. >> people said, if anyone should have resigned, it was he. parkinson parkinson's, couldn't get around. i think it is the image, the visual image of a man incapacitated. people say, well, how much is he really doing that? how much does he have his hands on the pulse of what is happening? >> chris cuomo this morning. father, do you think just straight up do you think his successor might find wisdom in the notion of hanging it up early, maybe set a precedent here? >> i agree with the quotations of the priest. we need a person, a leader, a real leader with good health, a wise man, continuing to train and i agree with benedict sistine and he has few guideline -- very clear, if i don't have the health, spirituality, mentality, and everything, i will resign. and it is simple for us. the doctrine is continuing to be the same. i think it is an example for everybody, the leader, the church, continuing. it is much better. resign now. >> italian popes, think of polish, curr
paul ii. have a listen to this. >> people said, if anyone should have resigned, it was he. parkinson parkinson's, couldn't get around. i think it is the image, the visual image of a man incapacitated. people say, well, how much is he really doing that? how much does he have his hands on the pulse of what is happening? >> chris cuomo this morning. father, do you think just straight up do you think his successor might find wisdom in the notion of hanging it up early, maybe set a...
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experienced a 6% increase in favorability, up from 56% during pope john paul ii's tenure and that's what the survey says. >>> coming up, she beats out her husband in almost every popularity poll. now michelle obama is back on the road and we'll look at what the second term may hold for the first lady. >>> first, the latest from south africa on where the olympic star accused of murder is now a day after being released on bail. you're watching msnbc. i've always had to keep my eye on her... but, i didn't always watch out for myself. with so much noise about health care... i tuned it all out. with unitedhealthcare, i get information that matters... my individual health profile. not random statistics. they even reward me for addressing my health risks. so i'm doing fine... but she's still going to give me a heart attack. we're more than 78,000 people looking out for more than 70 million americans. that's health in numbers. unitedhealthcare. >>> more than 100 days after hurricane sand e some storm victims in new jersey are going home for the first time. officials of the small beach town
experienced a 6% increase in favorability, up from 56% during pope john paul ii's tenure and that's what the survey says. >>> coming up, she beats out her husband in almost every popularity poll. now michelle obama is back on the road and we'll look at what the second term may hold for the first lady. >>> first, the latest from south africa on where the olympic star accused of murder is now a day after being released on bail. you're watching msnbc. i've always had to keep my...
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especially since the last pope, one that we knew growing up, pope john paul ii, literally allowed the world to watch him die. that was part of the process of sharing life, willie. >> yeah. this pope says he's old and fragile, unable to travel, but you make a good point about the previous pope. john, we've heard many times now that the next pope, whoever that may be, will have to confront the sexual abuse scandal, puts it mildly. that has consumed the roman catholic church for so long. what will that mean exactly? what will a pope do? a new pope in terms of confronting that? will he come out immediately in an opening address? will he purge some of the priests? what do you think that pope will do at least from a public relations point of view to change the perception? >> well, it's the perception and the reality. it's the most disturbing thing about any self-protecting institution. you see this as the catholic chump has, for decade upon decade now, put its own institutional survival and its own institutional dignity, really, ahead of the interests of the weakest people in its care, its
especially since the last pope, one that we knew growing up, pope john paul ii, literally allowed the world to watch him die. that was part of the process of sharing life, willie. >> yeah. this pope says he's old and fragile, unable to travel, but you make a good point about the previous pope. john, we've heard many times now that the next pope, whoever that may be, will have to confront the sexual abuse scandal, puts it mildly. that has consumed the roman catholic church for so long....
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paul ryan, marco rubio, john boehner, all far behind. joining me now karen tumulte and david goodfriend. thank you for joining me. the analysis of the seven-point dive there, if that's the accurate word here, why do you believe the approval rating is sinking from december? >> a couple of things. in december, we just come off the large presidential election where both he and his republican opponents spent inordinate amounts of money to get the point across and people weigh the two messages. mitt romney versus barack obama and now left with sort of a generic feeling of the public how do you think things are going? as you put on the screen, most americans don't feel things are going well and will blame that on an incumbent. that having been said, the president's approval ratings are still strong as you point out, strong relative to congress and historical trends. i happen to think that the biggest news out of that poll is even after the republicans tried to tar her with benghazi, hillary clinton remains unbelievably strong and i think that'
paul ryan, marco rubio, john boehner, all far behind. joining me now karen tumulte and david goodfriend. thank you for joining me. the analysis of the seven-point dive there, if that's the accurate word here, why do you believe the approval rating is sinking from december? >> a couple of things. in december, we just come off the large presidential election where both he and his republican opponents spent inordinate amounts of money to get the point across and people weigh the two...
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john paul ii is very much a more engaging pope and not as much as a private man as benedict xvi is. he will leave here tomorrow around this time, by helicopter, and he will go to castle gandolpho and come back to the vatican in his retirement. he'll go into isolation, he's chosen that for himself. the vatican garden cottage as it were, it's not particularly comfortable, i'm told, i haven't been in, but it is somewhere he can spend his twilight years as it were, and he's 85 years old, let's remember that, in peace and reflecting on where he is, who he is, and how far he's come. today was very much an occasion of reflection for the 100,000 or so people who were here, brooke. it was absolutely amazing. we were up there, right at vatican city there and it was a sense of quiet, even though there are over 100,000 people there, so i say, a time of reflection and peace for so many of the faith. brooke? >> and history being made and now less than 24 hours from now, where you are in rome, becky anderson, my thanks to you. >>> back at home, we talked about this last hour, the automatic blunt f
john paul ii is very much a more engaging pope and not as much as a private man as benedict xvi is. he will leave here tomorrow around this time, by helicopter, and he will go to castle gandolpho and come back to the vatican in his retirement. he'll go into isolation, he's chosen that for himself. the vatican garden cottage as it were, it's not particularly comfortable, i'm told, i haven't been in, but it is somewhere he can spend his twilight years as it were, and he's 85 years old, let's...
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john avlon is cnn contributor and senior political columnist for "newsweek" and "the daily beast." good to see you. matt kibby is president of the group freedomworks which supports tea party candidates. good to see you. both coming to us from washington. gentlemen, civil wars are often long bloody fights leaving both sides in the end. is that the path the gop is on? why is the gop allowing this fight to be so nasty and public? >> i think the republican party has always contained a lot of competing conservative tribes. this factional fight is coming to the front forefront because of the disastrous election, the amount of money fueling these different factions and a deep philosophical division between more center right folks and social conservatives. there's fundamental contradictions that need to get worked out. >> so matt, can there possibly be a winner out of this kind of fight, the republicans versus the tea party movement? >> i think the american people are going to win. i'm not sure this is just a fight in the republican party. i think it's a broader paradigm shift. i think you
john avlon is cnn contributor and senior political columnist for "newsweek" and "the daily beast." good to see you. matt kibby is president of the group freedomworks which supports tea party candidates. good to see you. both coming to us from washington. gentlemen, civil wars are often long bloody fights leaving both sides in the end. is that the path the gop is on? why is the gop allowing this fight to be so nasty and public? >> i think the republican party has always...
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maybe they carve up the reasonable vote and rand paul walks through without looking. >> we know that jeb bush won the election in 2008. >> john mccain -- >> he also won, he took a hard line against immigration but was seen as a liberal republican earlier in his year. >> earlier in his career. >> at different points in his career. we tend to believe that moderate republicans can not get through the process but they have shown that it ends up happening. >> do they not get through the process, at the expense of, and look at the last republican primary as the example, by the time mitt romney picked up the nomination after the 112 republican debates that we were judged to. >> and somewhere to the right of herman cain >> i want do not think it's fair to paint taall the republicans with the mitt romney brush. >> the point that was being made is that even if you are not as. right leaning, as some would have you -- some folks may have you to -- some may try to paint you to be. by the time the primary is over, you have really come across -- >> it's true for both parties. >> sure. >> you see th
maybe they carve up the reasonable vote and rand paul walks through without looking. >> we know that jeb bush won the election in 2008. >> john mccain -- >> he also won, he took a hard line against immigration but was seen as a liberal republican earlier in his year. >> earlier in his career. >> at different points in his career. we tend to believe that moderate republicans can not get through the process but they have shown that it ends up happening. >> do...
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you've got brennan being held up by rand paul. he says he's going to place a hold on brennan at the cia. jack lew is undergoing questioning now and getting roughed up a bit. and right now his nomination may or may not be held up. what's the republican end game here? it's just not good for the national party brand. >> no, i don't think it is good, joe. and you've seen all this up close before. i think this is just a moment of leverage here. i mean, look. the president's got leverage on his domestic agenda right now. he's used his leverage after the election on taxes. you know, this is some leverage that republicans have to get some questions answered, to send some messages, to fire some shots across the bow. they're doing that. the white house is listening, by the way. it's mostly vice president biden who's talking to some of these more recalcitrant republicans and making sure they get what they need so they can get some of this stuff behind them. issues like benghazi. you know, i don't think there's any real issue with lew. as you
you've got brennan being held up by rand paul. he says he's going to place a hold on brennan at the cia. jack lew is undergoing questioning now and getting roughed up a bit. and right now his nomination may or may not be held up. what's the republican end game here? it's just not good for the national party brand. >> no, i don't think it is good, joe. and you've seen all this up close before. i think this is just a moment of leverage here. i mean, look. the president's got leverage on his...